Skip to main content
9:00 pm
union that has gone in and led them to do this. this is very grass roots. isn't it? >> this is very grass roots. it's led by a community group. this is the workers deciding what they wanted by themselves. they're asking for a union. they're forming their own independent union across the fast food franchises in the city. >> this is pretty interesting. >> it's pretty exciting. >> it's a change of the times. they're speaking up. it's one to follow. sarah jaffe, thank you for joining us tonight. appreciate it. that's "the ed show" on this friday night. i'm ed schultz. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, ed. have a great weekend, my friend. >> i will. you too. thank you. thanks to you at home for being with us on this fine friday night. do you remember the color-coded alert system we used to have? remember that? tom ridge announced the exist existence of our national color-coded be afraid alert chart about a decade ago. in march 2002 so we could tell at a glance how alert we were supposed to feel. and if you didn't feel like glancing at the be alert chart, at least at the airport they
9:01 pm
would read periodic recorded statements over the intercom telling you out loud that today's threat level was orange. the threat level was always orange at the airport no matter what else was going on in the rest of the country. we don't do that anymore. we don't do that. we got rid of the color coded chart thing last year and nobody complained. we also no longer have this. this is the google street view of one of the secret prisons we used to have in romania. "the associated press" did a little overhead satellite view of it, too, so you can see just how snubbed up our secret prison was against the railway lines in a really densely populated part of bucharest. that little thing there, that was ours. we're a country with 2 million people in prison or jail on any given day. america has thousands of prisons and jails here at home, but we decided to open a little something in romania, too, in secret. also in poland and a bunch of other places.
9:02 pm
we had secret overseas prisons. we don't do that anymore, either. they said they emptied them out in 2006 and then in 2009 it became official policy that we do not do that anymore. for years do you remember there was a ban on taking photos at dover? a ban on taking photos of flag-draped coffins of americans killed in war having their bodies brought back home to the united states. we the public were banned from seeing those pictures for years. but that ban is over now. we do not have that ban anymore. we don't do that anymore. we are now allowed to see. for a while, top-level u.s. policymakers approved torturing people. and americans did torture people based on cockamamy policy advice it was legal for them to do so. the current president, president obama, put a stop to that right when he took office. we do not do that anymore. some things we stop doing. some things that we were told, yeah, maybe this is
9:03 pm
unprecedented, maybe this doesn't seem like the thing america does, but we have to do it. some of those things from the past decade are things that we have stopped doing. that said, some of the things we still are doing are still pretty hard to get your head around. we're still fighting the longest war in u.s. history and it apparently still has two-plus years on the clock unless the president speeds up his withdrawal plan. it's the longest war in u.s. history. at the same time as another one of the longest wars in u.s. history. if you told anybody in advance of that plan that that's how our country would spend the first decade plus of the 21st century, you would have been laughed at. before we started doing it, you could not have convinced anyone that after we closed our secret prisons in places like romania, and poland, we would still keep one offshore prison in a nearby communist country which doesn't want us there. in advance of us starting to do this stuff, how would you have convinced somebody sthat we were
9:04 pm
going to do these things? how would you have convinced somebody the united states would consider it legal to find a wanted american citizen living abroad, track him down in that other country and then for the u.s. government to kill him with a missile in that other country? the man's father went to court in advance of our government doing that to try to stop the u.s. government from doing it. the father sued to say in advance that his son should be arrested instead of killed on the spot if he was found, but he was found and he was just killed on the spot with a missile. u.s. citizen. then a month later, we killed his 16-year-old son, too. also an american citizen. same cause of death. we have done things in the past decade or so that if you asked anybody in advance of us starting to behave this way, whether the united states of america would ever be a country that behaved this way, there's no way you could have convinced anyone. we granted ourselves position to act this way when we set our response to being the victim of a massive terrorist attack in 2001 was going to be that we
9:05 pm
were going to declare we were at war. congress passed an authorization of military force against the group that attacked us and associated forces. and the power granted by that authorization to use force undergirds a lot of the things that we have done over the past decade in this administration and the previous one. things that constitute previously unimaginable behavior for the united states of america. we're on a war footing. and is that war footing forever? that's the question, right? when does it end? it's not a philosophical question, it's an empirical question. because this is not a war that we ever planned on winning. we planned on just fighting it for a while and then eventually stopping, maybe. i'm not just saying that because that's my take on it. and i'm a liberal, although i am. i'm saying that because it's been the understanding all along from the people who declared this war in the first place this was never something we were going to know it was over because we had a winner. it was never planned that way. >> you said to me a second ago
9:06 pm
one of the things you'll lay out in your vision for the next four years is how to go about winning the war on terror. 8 that phrase strikes me a little bit. do you really think we can win this war on terror? for example, in the next four years? >> i never said we could win it in four years. >> i'm saying, can we win it? i don't see that. >> i don't think you can win it. >> your daughters are how old now? >> 22. >> they are approaching the age, president bush, they will have their own children. s when their kids are teens, are they going to those grandchildren to be reading about al qaeda in the newspaper every day? >> i know if we're steadfast, strong and resolute, i say those words seriously, it's less likely your kids are going to live under the threat of al qaeda for a period of time. i don't have a definite end. >> definite end. i don't think you can win it. our country has used the idea that we are at war. not just in iraq, not just in
9:07 pm
afghanistan, but all over the globe. we've used the idea that we are in this global war as the justification for us doing all kinds of things. exerting all kinds of power that would otherwise be not just indefensible for a country with a constitution like ours, not just indefensible, but almost unimagining. in this global war of ours they said from the beginning would not end because there was going to be a winner declared. there couldn't be. it's not that kind of war. if that's the case and being in war footing is what justifies this behavior we wouldn't otherwise be participating in, one does this war end? when do we get to say the global war we declared more than 11 years ago is now over? today for the first time, a u.s. government official started talking about how this ends. >> now that efforts by the u.s. military against al qaeda are in their 12th year, we must also ask ourselves, how will this conflict end? >> this is the top lawyer at the
9:08 pm
pentagon, general counsel of the defense department, jay johnson, speaking today at oxford university in britain, broaching a subject that as far as i know nobody at a high level of government has been willing to officially broach since 9/11. >> how will this conflict end? it is an unconventional conflict against an unconventional enemy and will not end in conventional terms. we cannot, and should not, expect al qaeda and its associated forces to all surrender, all lay down their weapons in an open field or to sign a peace treaty with us. they are terrorist organizations. nor can we capture or kill every last terrorist who claims an affiliation with al qaeda. i can offer no prediction about when this conflict will end. or whether we are as winston churchill once described it near the "beginning of the end."
9:09 pm
i do believe that on the present course, there will come a tipping point. the tipping point at which so many of the leaders and operatives of al qaeda and its affiliates have been killed or captured and the group is no longer able to attempt or r launch a strategic attack against the united states. such that al qaeda, as we know it, the organization that our congress authorized the military to pursue in 2001, has been effectively destroyed. >> approaching a tipping point. i just want to jump in for a second to say this part here, this is the unprecedented part. this is the part we've been waiting for. watch. >> at that point, we must be able to say to ourselves that our efforts should no longer be considered a "armed conflict against al qaeda and its associated forces." rather a counterterrorism effort against individuals who are the
9:10 pm
scattered remnants of al qaeda or are part of groups unaffiliated with al qaeda for which the law enforcement and intelligent resources of our government are principally responsible. >> it will at some point stop being war and will go back to being police work and intelligence work against terrorism as a threat we fight but we do not say we are at war with it anymore. how much would it change us back as a country to hit that point? can we go back? have we irredeemably ander reversibly changed ourselves for being at war for 2 years now? is this first word on how we might do it reasonably expect we are ever actually going to get there? >> war violates the natural order of things in which children bury their parents. in war, parents bury their children.
9:11 pm
we must not accept the conflict as the "new normal." >> joining us is john suskind. pulitzer prize winning journalist, seen wror fellow at harvard center for ethics. author of many great books including "the 1% doctrine." thanks for being here. >> my pleasure, rachel. >> is there a window of political opportunity right now in washington after this election to maybe change some of the very basic footing that we decided on after 9/11? some of the stuff the president carried over from the previous president? >> indisputably. that's what people are hopeful about. looking at this comment, being pulled apart word by word tonight, is this going to be a predicate? an opportunity for the president now that he doesn't have to stand for re-election, to do some of the things people hoped he would have done in his first term? shut down guantanamo was a big promise. he couldn't manage it. he pulled back from that. there are clear issues here of the presidency hopefully snapping back into the shape it
9:12 pm
had prior to 9/11. that's the hope of lots of constitutional scholars. it has not done that up to now. most of the powers granted or obtained by the bush administration have conveyed, if you will, to the obama administration, with some caveats you mentioned. the question is, is this the beginning of this president creating, i guess, a new normal, as johnson says? in which we are not in a state of war and the president is not executing war powers in a consistent and endless way? >> ron, you are a student of leadership, both a student of good leadership and bad leadership. i feel like leaders good and bad can generally be counted on to never give up power that they have been granted. if this president does draw a hardline under the war, the war on frterror and say this war is over and the powers i had that are associated with this war are no longer the powers of this
9:13 pm
office, i mean, is that a fantasy? is this something you can imagine this president doing? can you imagine any president doing it? >> you know, if he's going to do it, this constitutional law president, it will be in this term. you know, it might be toward the end of this term. these issue, no matter what happens on some of these sort of legal sort of standards, the issues in a way don't change. small groups of people can get their hands on weapons that were once powerful and reserved for nations. that doesn't change. that's carried by technology and it's one of the great perils of the modern age. having said that, it's clear that this president has thought a lot about how to establish that crucial principle rule of law, dually designated to shape the u.s. policies. now here, let's be clear on what's at stake here. it's not so much drone strikes. that's been misinterpreted. the president under the powers the article two powers of the
9:14 pm
president, can continue with essentially the kind of global war on terror, call it whatever you will, that he's been conducting. what he can do is kill, but he can't capture, interestingly enough, under article two. the being issue is guantanamo. this particular pronouncement by jay johnson really is about guantanamo. under the current legal framework that we're looking at, guantanamo, that won't work if we're not at war. they will have to come up with a different legal structure to make that operative. certainly, congress can do that at some point. but guantanamo is the question mark based on what johnson said. maybe johnson auditioning for attorney general, he's out of there in january. but it may be even more than that a predicate. a little bit of groundwork by this administration to say, we're thinking about this and this may be up ahead. now that this president doesn't have to stand for re-election. >> in terms of that as a predicate, maybe a political predicate, for jay johnson or
9:15 pm
administration of a whole, is there significance in particular of him delivering this speech not in the united states? he did this speech at oxford and did it right after the election. do you see that as important? >> yeah, you know, i think time and place is always important. the british have a bit of a different position on some of these things than we do. actually they're a little bit ahead of us you might say on some of the issues of detainees, of how we conduct ourselves globally. you know, look, i think we don't really know here, rachel, until we hear more from the administration. this is raising a question. people are going to be pressing the administration in the next couple days saying, can you give us specifics? is this the start of a new way of thinking of policies that might be unfolding in the next couple months? let's say. or is this a trial balloon and you're seeing how it looks and how people react to it and it may fall under the category of look, we're trying and here you're catching us trying but not much is going to happen. look, the fact is if there's another terrorist attack in the
9:16 pm
united states, many of these issues go right back to where we were back to the restart button. and be clear, under the article two powers of the presidency, this president can do a great, great deal. pretty much everything he does now and then some, the key issue is guantanamo. those prisoners, 166 prisoners including 50 hard-core, the president said we don't know what we're going to do with those people. they would be sitting without a legal framework if we pull back from this war powers declaration from 2001. that's a big issue. that's a complex one. >> ron suskind, senior fellow at harvard center or ethics. author of "the 1% doctrine" and many other books. it's great to have you here. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> if you want to have a further gander of that speech from jay johnston today, we're posting clips at maddowblog.com. you know the shady trickery from this year's election about who would get to vote and how hard certain states were going
9:17 pm
to make it to vote this year? all of that shady trickery is still playing dividends today. still. maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup and it's so rich and creamy... is it really 100 calories? let me put you on webcan... ...lean roasted chicken... and a creamy broth mmm i can still see you. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup.
9:18 pm
mmm i can still see you. tired of fees piling up introducing chase liquid. the reloadable card with no fee reloads and withdrawals at chase atms. all for one flat monthly fee so there's zero confusion.
9:19 pm
get rid of prepaid problems. get chase liquid. that makes watching tv even better. if your tv were a hot dog, zeebox would be some sort of fancy, french mustard. just like adding fancy mustard to a hotdog makes you go "woah!," zeebox adds video, info, and playalongs to spice up your favorite shows. download zeebox free and say "woah" every time you watch tv. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you? because for 200 years, we've been helping ideas move from ambition to achievement. and the next great idea could be yours.
9:20 pm
♪ (announcer) when subaru owners look in the mirror, they see more than themselves. so we celebrate our year-end with the "share the love" event. get a great deal on a new subaru and 250 dollars goes to your choice of five charities. by the end of this, our fifth year, our total can reach almost 25 million dollars. it's a nice reflection on us all. now through january 2nd. in the 2010 midterm elections and excitement of the republicans taking over senate that year, speaker of the house changing from being nancy pelosi to john boehner instead, the big deal changeover of the 2010 elections, it was sort of overlooked for a while that election brought about an even bigger change outside of
9:21 pm
washington. in the states, republicans swept to power in state legislatures that year in a way they really had not done in ages. republicans took control of more seats at the state level in that election than at any time since 1928. their sweep in 2010 ushered in 2 years of republican governance in the state as much as anything else defined the republican party and what being a republican stood for. so it was two years of rolling back abortion rights and stripping union rights and passing really hardline immigration laws and making it harder for people to vote, making it harder for people to register to vote. two aggressive coast to coast years of republican governance in the states defining what it meant to be a republican. in a way the republican party's national candidates sometimes tried to run away from, but ultimately it ended up being inescapable. the proof is in the pudding. right? we know what you'll be like in power. we know what your party will be like in power because of how you have comported yourself with the power you have already got.
9:22 pm
what happens in the states matters across the country, even in national elections. that was the legacy of 2010. this year in 2012 overshadowed by the presidential election and the congressional results once again, this year again, something amazing happens in the states. in 2012 this past election, an avalanche of states that are previously been under divided government, democrats controlling one part of the government, republicans controlling the other, those states have moved to one party controlling everything. north carolina, for example, the republicans winning back the governor's mansion this year means the republicans there will control the house and the senate and the governor's seat. in minnesota, other direction. democrats won back control of the house in minnesota and the senate there and because they already held the governor's mansion, that means one party, democratic control throughout that state next year. so it went across the country. in 2012 the parties consolidated power at the state level in a
9:23 pm
way that is sort of without precedent in modern american history. red states got really, really red. blue states got really, really blue. it goes further than that. it's not just one party rule. one party majority. it's one party mega rule in a lot of states. take a look at california. democrats don't just have a majority in the california state legislature now. they're going to have a supermajority meaning republicans essentially don't have enough minority power to stop anything the democrats want to do. the same story in indiana, but for the republicans. indiana republicans will have a supermajority in the house and in the senate and they hold the governor's mansion. ditto oklahoma. republicans took a supermajority and turned it into a bigger supermajority. this is what happened in 2012. not just the disappearance of divided rule in the states. split rule between two parties. but the rise of supermajority one party rule. that is a position of immense power for whichever party it is that's in control. they get to do what they want.
9:24 pm
if you think about it, you better trust those people because there's essentially no bull work against them in these states. one state on the precipice of getting that sort of supermajority status is the great state of ohio. heading into this year's elections, republicans in ohio controlled the governor's mansion. they controlled the house. they controlled the senate. in the senate, republicans currently have that supermajority status. in the ohio senate, it is the democrats there -- there are democrats there, but they're essentially powerless. and in the ohio house, republicans are definitely in control there. they have the majority, but will they have a supermajority there, too? an unrue viewable, uncheckable megamajority that lets them rule at will? they might. they are one seat away from that in the ohio house. one seat away from giving republicans total unobstructed control in ohio. rendering the democratic party and state government there essentially moot. they only need one house seat in order to get there. right now in ohio, there are
9:25 pm
twlo house seats that have not been called. that are too close. they've gone to a recount. if republicans win both seats, republicans will have, what's a nicer way to say a death grip on power in that state? how are those races going to be decided in ohio? remember this guy? ah, yes. republican secretary of state jon husted of ohio. jon husted worked tirelessly leading up to the election trying to limit the number of days with early voting in the state. early voting, of course, tends to favor democrats. he attempted at one point so republican leaning parts of the state would have more time to vote than the democratic leaning parts of the state. one thing jon husted did was fought up until election day to make it easier for him to throw out provisional ballots. those are ballots that are put aside because there's some question about that voter's
9:26 pm
eligibility or where they are voting. and in the two house races that have yet to be decided, guess what it's coming down to? look at this one. in one of the races, it's 14 votes that separate the 2 candidates. 14 votes between them. in that race, the the number of ballots secretary jon husted be ordered be thrown away is 114. that might make a difference np. in the other house race, the candidates are separated by this tunny margin of 119 votes. guess how many provisional ballots jon husted wants thrown out in that race? more than double the margin. 270. in those races, ohio democrats are alleging those provisional ballots which could decide the two races and thereby decide whether or not the ohio republicans have a supermajority rendering democrats moot in the state, ohio democrats are alleging that those provisional ballots are being thrown out illegally by secretary of state jon husted. democrats say the ballots are being thrown out, quote, in violation of federal law. these two races are so close
9:27 pm
now, their outcomes will determine the balance of power in the state of ohio. they will determine if republicans have a veto-proof supermajority that renders democrats irrelevant and that question is hanging on those provisional ballots that democrats say the republican secretary of state is having thrown out illegally. ohio democrats are suggesting they are going to sue over what's going on there right now and you can understand why they might. any power they hope to have in the state depends on it. watch this space.
9:28 pm
wooohooo....hahaahahaha! oh...there you go. wooohooo....hahaahahaha! i'm gonna stand up to her! no you're not. i know. you know ronny folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they jimmy? happier than a witch in a broom factory. get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. i have obligations. cute tobligations, but obligations.g. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors
9:29 pm
choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. introducing chase liquid. card hassles? the reloadable card that's easy to activate and can be used right away. plus, you can load cash or checks at any chase depositfriendly atm and checks right from your smartphone. get rid of prepaid problems. get chase liquid.
9:30 pm
♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] while you're getting ready for the holidays, we're getting ready for you. tis the season. for food, for family, and now, something extra -- for you. the 80th congress of the united states did very little. got very little done. little enough that when president truman called it the do-nothing congress, everybody agreed and decided to call it that forever after. look up do-nothing congress. it's in the index of your high school history book. i swear. it starts with a "d." the 80th congress, which changed the course of american political history by famously doing nothing, was like an auto plant working at full capacity
9:31 pm
boom, three shift, compared with the current congress which is now just sputtering to its end. wait until you see what the new incoming congress has in store for itself. what we have just learned about what the new congress plans for itself will make you want to be in congress, even if nothing else in your whole blessed life has ever made you want to be in congress before. that's coming up. [ male announcer ] we all make bad decisions.
9:32 pm
9:33 pm
like say, gas station sushi. cheap is good. and sushi, good. but cheap sushi, not so good. it's like that super-low rate on not enough car insurance. pretty sketchy. ♪ and then there are the good decisions. like esurance. their coverage counselor tool helps you choose the right coverage for you at a great price. [ stomach growls ] without feeling queasy. that's insurance for the modern world. esurance. now backed by allstate. click or call. [ male announcer ] lifts to clear obstacles. ♪ lowers to cut drag. rises to every challenge. the class exclusive air suspension in the new 2013 ram 1500.
9:34 pm
engineered to move heaven and earth. guts. glory. ram. there's a school of not so much political science as sort of political pseudoscience. that says what the price of gas is determined what happens in our national elections. now, it is not necessarily true. it's the kind of correlation that sounds really compelling but the more facts you look at the correlation is not really bourn out over time. it's one of those things that gets passed on as if it's a political science truth that people like to believe in, whether or not it is true. in newt going rich's slow run at the presidency this year, it seems like mr. gingrich maybe got enamored with the fake political science wise tale. i think he thought he could
9:35 pm
reverse engineer it by making his presidential campaign about gas prices for a while. thereby creating the impression nothing voters that gas prices might go down under him if he were elected president. that was his planned road to the white house for awhile. that road did not lead to the white house. it didn't even lead to a fox news gig. apparently. what is newt gingrich doing now anyway? gas prices are not just politically salient because of his cockamamy theories. they're salient to our economy. more than any traded economy the price of gas has a direct impact on how much pocket change americans have to save or spend on anything else. >> people are not happy this morning. gas prices are going up. once again. in fact, many people are flocking to places like this place here in davis to find the cheapest gas prices around. right now a gallon of unleaded costs you $4.13. last week, gas jumped 16 cents at many gas stations in california.
9:36 pm
prices are expected to go up another 20 cents in the next few days. >> gas prices go up and down. right? there's supply and demand. every once in awhile like in that report, there's a dramatic spike. the weird thing about that particular gas price spike in may that sparked that news report is that that gas price spike was really isolated. gas prices went way up in california, even as gas prices everywhere else were going down. and at the same time that gas prices were going way up in california, crude oil prices were going down. and even weirder, gas inventories were plentiful. gas inventories were going up. there was more supply. there was a lot of gas around. then why would it be getting more expensive? we were told refineries were the problem. >> last week, gas jumped as much as 16 cents at many gas station in california. prices are expected to go up 20 cents in the next few days.
9:37 pm
analysts say refineries are at its lowest level in 20 years in several california facilities. we're also dealing with repairs and maintenance issues. >> repairs and maintenance issues at the refineries. so crude oil prices are down, plenty of gas in the inventories, but the refineries california refineries were not working at capacity because of repairs and maintenance issues. and so california was getting a giant price spike. the biggest gasoline market in the nation had its prices going way up. they're going down everywhere else, but up in california. that's what we were told. the refineries. but there was no real reason to question it because it's happened before. a chevron refinery in rip monch california, caught fire in 1989. flames shot 100 feet in the air. seven people were injured. gas prices spiked right away and people blamed the fire. the fire slowed supplies to retailers by 25%. gas prices in california went up. refinery goes down, prices go up. march 1999, same refinery. another huge explosion. it was the second refinery fire in the state that month. you guessed it.
9:38 pm
after that con fillgration, gas prices went up in california. of course, they did. just this past august, same refinery in california caught on fire. nobody was killed, thank goodness, but people in the area were told to stay in their homes with their windows closed. drivers were told to close their windows, too. four train stations were shut down. and gas prices went up. you notice a trend here? that one refinery, chevron refinery in richmond that's spent the last 25 years catching on fire over and over and over again, that's one of the refineries we were told in may with that mysterious price spike, we were told in may that that refinery was offline. so, oh, that's why we had the price spike. the other one was this one. the royal dutch shell refinery in martinez, california. we were told they were offline for maintenance. so these two refineries being down, well obviously then your prices are going to go up. that's what drove up the gas prices in california despite all the other factors saying that
9:39 pm
prices shouldn't have gone up. that was in may. and people in california were ovb obviously prepared to accept that explanation. history had prepared us to accept that explanation. however, check this out. earlier this month apache news service got a report that looked at a document, thousands of environmental documents from a point in thyme when those refineries were supposedly offline. down for maintenance work. right? here's out mcklatch chi explains. at a time in may, reported down for maintenance for two weeks, it appears to have been making gasoline for at least half that time. state environment records show. nitrogen oxide emissions have returned to normal at the refinery, a full week before it was reported to have come back online. really? similarly, chevron's richmond refinny was reported down for maintenance for two weeks in may, right, that's what we were
9:40 pm
told, but emissions data suggests the refinery never ceased operation. shell's refinery in martinez and chevron's in richmond were supposedly offline not making anything so gas prices had to go up. one report concludes actually they were up and running. . what? they just didn't want to say so? everybody knows how supply and demand works. in this case if supply and demand do not explain what was going on here, that's a scandal. that had a huge economic impact. were the refinery companies lying about this just to boost prices up and pocket the difference? does this happen all over the country? what's going on here? and what tools do we have to figure it out if we are being suckered? we do have ta tool. it lives in the department of justice. six western senators are calling on the department of justice to conduct a refinery by refinery investigation of what happened during that gas price spike in may.
9:41 pm
and another one that happened in october. is the energy industry snookering us and will they get caught if they are? joining us now for "the interview" is senator marie that ke kentwell. she has been leading this charge. it's nice to have you here. thank you for joining us. >> good evening, rachel. >> let me ask in my layman's summary of that discussion, both the supply and demand factors at work, but what might have happened in may in the environmental report. did i get the basics of that right? is that basically the situation? >> rachel, i'm convinced that maddow matters. that you drill down on the substance of these issues and that's exactly what we need the department of justice to do. >> what was it about the price spike in may and then again in october that seemed suspicious to you? was there something that tipped you off to start questioning whether or not that was a legitimate price strike just explained by supply and demand? >> well, my constituents tipped me off that they were frustrated
9:42 pm
gas was going toward $5. what they knew is one refinery went down, but why was everybody else saying that they were offline or r a lot of the market response basically saying the price spike was caused by a shortage? well, you outlined how inventories and supply were there, so supply and demand didn't seem to really be the issue. so our question is this. did these entities create the perception of an artificial shortage and thereby drive up the price of gasoline? that's what we want the department of justice to investigate. we want the ftc and the department of justice to be the policemen on the beat on something so important as gas, as you said, it's like the lifeblood of an economy. if you affect it by that price spike, it affects day-to-day consumers, our economy, and jobs and everything else. >> do you believe the department of justice is capable of
9:43 pm
mounting this investigation in a rigorous way? do they have the tools they need? do they have a track record of investigating stuff like this well? >> they do have the tools they need. that's why we're asking the department of justice to be involved now in addition to the ftc is that the investigative arm of the department of justice can marry up with the regulatory authorities that agencies like the commodities future trading commission have or other agencies and do a comprehensive, you know, approach, to get all of the data. and, yes, this task force existed before when it tried to tackle the enron problem. another area of energy, electricity, but an area where we saw a lot of the same schemes being perpetrated on the public, you know, by people moving supply around or creating images about supply that really weren't true. in this case, it appears that there's some evidence that we want them to investigate. the fact while they said they were down, emissions were still coming out of some of these
9:44 pm
facilities which would lead you to believe they were actually producing supply. >> we contacted the western states petroleum association to get their response to this, to the mcclatchey report and this call for an investigation. they told us the department of justice elects to investigate gas markets on the west coast. we're confident the investigation will reach the same conclusion dozens of other investigations over the past two decades have reached that gasoline and diesel prices on the west coast are determined principally by supply and demand. they also said the author of the report who i cited in my introduction, he's not an expert in the oil industry and clearly does not understand refinery operations. his report contains many suspicions and theories but does not prove anything. let me get your response to the remark from the western states petroleum association. >> there's a lot to cover there. let me just say this. there's a new law on the books of the last few years that basically says that it is against the law to have any manipulative devices or
9:45 pm
contrivances as it relates to moving oil supply. this is a relatively new statute. it's not the issue of whether the oil companies got together in an anti-trust conspiracy to set pricing. this is about whether somebody, as i was saying before, created the image of an artificial shortage just to drive up price. and the reason why that law was passed is because we saw too much going on in our energy markets, something that's so critical to our economy, that we wanted to have a tougher regulation on the books. so this authority has been used in electricity and natural gas and a federal agency overseeing those entities have instigated over, i think, 107 cases and have had hundreds of millions of dollars of fines against companies who have had bad practices. so we're asking that the ftc and and the doj use the power that
9:46 pm
is in current statute, although relatively new, to do the same kind of policing in these energy markets and to mr. mccullough in oregon, we couldn't thank him enough in the northwest. because when the federal entities in charge of electricity failed to investigate fully the enron case, mr. mccullough provided crucial evidence by investigating tapes and documentation on behalf of our utilities in the northwest that proved successful in saving our consumers over $1 billion. so i can tell you he's done great work before, and he's the first to admit that what we really need now is the department of justice to use their full power and get to the bottom of this. >> senator maria cantwell from washington state, chair of the senate subcommittee on energy. thank you for helping us
9:47 pm
understand this. please keep this apprised. i really appreciate it. >> thank you, rachel. >> thanks. i should say manipulative devices or contrivances was the name of my band in high school. we'll be right back. okay, now here's our holiday gift list.
9:48 pm
aww, not the mall. well, i'll do the shopping... if you do the shipping. shipping's a hassle. i'll go to the mall. hey. hi. y'know, holiday shipping's easy with priority mail flat rate boxes from the postal service. if it fits, it ships anywhere in the country for a low flat rate. yeah, i know. oh, you're good. [ laughing ] good luck! [ male announcer ] priority mail flat rate boxes. online pricing starts at $5.15. only from the postal service. olaf gets great rewards for his small business! pizza! [ garth ] olaf's small business earns 2% cash back on every purchase, every day! helium delivery. put it on my spark card! [ pop! ] [ garth ] why settle for less? great businesses deserve great rewards!
9:49 pm
awesome!!! [ male announcer ] the spark business card from capital one. choose unlimited rewards with 2% cash back or double miles on every purchase, every day! what's in your wallet?
9:50 pm
tell me if this is a problem. here are the gop committee chairs.
9:51 pm
show that picture. every one is a middle aged white guy. okay. is there a diversity problem in the republican party? >> the fact is, that picture by definition, is not helpful. >> mr. gingrich, i agree. that picture is not helpful if you are a member of the republican party. a party that just got shellacked in the most recent election, among any voters who were not, themselves, middle-aged white guys. turns out there's a whole bunch of those voters. it is not helpful for the republicans for the country to see a picture of the 19 republican congressmen elected to chair all of the republicans' congressional committees this next year. 19 committees, 19 white guys. some of whom defeated republican women members of congress who wanted those chairmanships. but republicans gave it to the guy instead. like for example, congresswoman candice miller, a representative from michigan's tenth district. she's a republican. she wanted to be picked to chair
9:52 pm
the homeland house committee. she was a member of that committee. her party said no, she was not picked. they picked a guy instead. and not picking of women set off a kind of amazing attempt at damage control in the house most of which was conducted by republican congresswomen themselves. they set their hopes on the fact there were still two committee chairs to be doled out. 19 committees had been assigned to 19 republican men. but there were two more committees where the chairmanships were doled out by the speaker of the house, himself. so maybe he'd pick a woman for those committees, right? the problem of course is that in this upcoming congress, there are zero republican women serving on either of those two remaining committees that are still looking for a chair. so how could you put the chair to the committee when there's nobody in the membership -- who's speaker boehner going to put in charge if there are no republican women on those committees? i mean, has that ever been done? has the speaker ever taken somebody who is not a member
9:53 pm
of the committee and made them the chair of that committee? has that ever happened? we have been digging around for an answer to that all day. and the answer appears to be, never. at least not since the 19th century. when committees were assembled in a very different way than they are today. that's what makes today's news so interesting because house speaker john boehner announced today that he did find a gal. congresswoman candice miller we guess he's decided to put in charge of not the homeland security committee, no, the house administration committee. so the woman who wanted to chair homeland security and was on that committee, instead, got a consolation prize. she's going to be chair of a committee she hasn't been on before. a committee that among other things oversees the house cafeterias. so this not helpful picture is now, if i have done the math right, suddenly 105% more helpful. look. diversity. speaker boehner has one more
9:54 pm
chairmanship to bestow yet. there could be more unprecedented diversity to come. . nobody said an all-in-one had to be bulky. or that you had to print from your desk. at least, nobody said it to us. introducing the business smart inkjet all-in-one series from brother. easy to use. it's the ultimate combination of speed, small size, and low-cost printing. if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this.
9:55 pm
now we need a little bit more... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand the value of quality time and personal attention. which is why we are proud to partner with health care professionals who understand the difference that quality time with our members can make... that's a very nice cake! ohh! [ giggles ] [ male announcer ] humana thanks the physicians, nurses, hospitals, pharmacists and other health professionals who helped us achieve the highest average star rating among national medicare companies... and become the first and only national medicare advantage company to achieve a 5-star rating for a medicare plan... your efforts result in the quality of care and service we're able to provide... which means better health outcomes... and more quality time to share with the ones who matter most. i love you, grandma! [ male announcer ] humana. ♪
9:56 pm
♪ now, that's cardworthy. [ man ] all right. here we go. ♪ cardworthy. [ camera shutter clicks ] cardworthy. ♪ so not cardworthy. ♪ [ female announcer ] go to shutterfly.com for all your cardworthy moments and now get up to 40% off.
9:57 pm
harry truman's 1948 reelection campaign had all of the hallmarks of failure. two years earlier his party lost house of both parties of congress. his legislative agenda was stalled. one of those in his cabinet announced he would run against his former boss as a third party candidate. truman's approval ratings were bottom of the barrel low. things were not looking good. he expected to lose his bid for reelection. the chicago "daily tribune" went so far to print a headline saying he did lose his bid for re-election. but truman won. and he won in part not just because he ran against his republican challenger but also against that republican congress. at his nominating convention that year, president truman delivered one of his most fiery speeches ever. he called the republican-controlled congress the do-nothing congress and called on that do-nothing congress to return to washington
9:58 pm
to a special session to finally do its job and pass legislation, thank you very much. after that fiery convention speech, congress did come back for a special session and they still did nothing. and president truman, therefore, continued to call them the do-nothing congress. and he railed on them about it on the campaign trail. and that campaign trail led him all the way back to the white house for a second term. 1948, harry truman talking about and criticizing the 80s congress. this congress, the one in washington today is the 102nd congress. here's what has happened since the time of truman's do-nothing congress. that is truman's congress there, the red arrow there, the one that couldn't get anything done, so terrible and hapless and unpopular that truman was able to run an otherwise hopeless campaign against them and win. the graph shows how much legislation was passed by that congress. right? that was history's do-nothing congress. here's our current congress. the good old 112th. here's our current republican-led congress.
9:59 pm
truman's congress passed a meager 900 or so bills. our congress passed fewer than 100. the weakest most anemic record on record for any congress ever since the congressional clerk started counting the number of bills passed, no congress has accomplished less than john boehner's congress. you know what, it turns out people still care just like in truman's time. the es scheme the american people have for congress now is in mired in the low double digits. so there are still a few more days left in the 112th congress. they have set a new mark for congressional uselessness. the good news is nowhere to go but up, right? maybe not. today the republican house majority leader eric cantor released the new house calendar for next year for the next congress. and if you're hoping for a little more production next year, compared with this year, look, 365 days on the calendar next year. republicans have decided to give themselves 239 days off including the weekends. they'll only be in

tv
The Rachel Maddow Show
MSNBC November 30, 2012 9:00pm-10:00pm PST

News/Business. (2012)

TOPIC FREQUENCY Us 17, California 16, U.s. 10, Truman 8, United States 7, Jon Husted 6, Rachel 5, Washington 5, America 4, Chevron 4, Offline 3, Jay Johnson 3, Richmond 3, Ohio 3, Romania 3, Johnson 3, John Boehner 3, Harry Truman 2, Geico 2, Guantanamo 2
Network MSNBC
Duration 01:00:00
Scanned in San Francisco, CA, USA
Source Comcast Cable
Tuner Virtual Ch. 787 (MSNBC HD)
Video Codec mpeg2video
Audio Cocec ac3
Pixel width 1920
Pixel height 1080
Sponsor Internet Archive
Audio/Visual sound, color


disc Borrow a DVD of this show
info Stream Only
Uploaded by
TV Archive
on 12/1/2012
Views
87